In memory of Chaya Mirel bat R’ Avraham

In memory of Chaya Mirel bat R' Avraham

Premenstrual staining, veset, and minimum wait
January 27, 2004

Question

Before my recent marriage, I somewhat regularly, but not always, stained (definately larger than a gris) a couple of days before really beginning my period. In the intervening days (usually 2-4 days) there was no staining. When I asked my Kallah teacher about this, she advised not to use a tampon, or look at toilet paper, if this happened, but to wait until I really needed protection, otherwise I would be niddah for longer than necessary. I took a few days of progesterone before the wedding to shift my period back and I think this altered my usual menstrual pattern. My first two periods since my marriage, I didn’t have this premenstrual staining ( or at least I wasn’t aware of it). So when I saw a stain on toilet paper on a day of perishah, before my third period, I assumed that I had started my period right on time, and inserted a tampon, before shkiah, so that we could count that day as day 1. However, this time, it seems that this initial staining was premenstrual, as the next two days were free of staining, and I didn’t really begin menstruating until daytime of day 4 (halachically). We conducted ourselves assuming that I was niddah, as there was staining on the tampon from day 1.
I have two questions.
1) What do I count as day 1 of menstruation for the purpose of counting next month’s veset? The day I became niddah because of seeing the premenstrual staining, or the day I really started menstruating?
2) How do I differentiate between premenstrual staining and the beginning of menstruation, as the first day of my period now is not very different from the premenstrual staining?
Thank you.

Answer

1) The day that you experienced a flow of blood is the day from which you calculate your veset. However, the day that you began staining, and became niddah after inserting the tampon, is the first day for the calculation of the minimum wait.

The advice that your kallah teacher gave you was correct. Please see our pages on stains and toilet paper for further discussion. Note that we follow the position that you can disregard blood seen on toilet paper as long as you waited several seconds (ideally, about 15 seconds) after urinating and before wiping.

Once you have some spotting around the time you expect your period, we recommend refraining from actual marital relations even if you are not niddah. This is a precaution to allow you to clarify your status, not a halachic requirement (learn more here).

On the day of your veset, you need to perform a bedikah. Finding discharge of a niddah color on the bedikah cloth would render you niddah.

2) You do not have to distinguish for these purposes between premenstrual staining several days before your period, and light staining at the start of your period. When you first begin staining, you can avoid becoming niddah by being careful with the precautions of stains (such as wearing colored underwear, and waiting after urinating before wiping). When your period starts in earnest, whether quickly or after several days, you will become niddah.

Sometimes, premenstrual staining can be considered a veset haguf (a veset based on a physical symptom). This is relevant especially if the pattern is consistent and/or if the staining ends within about a day of the onset of your period. You can learn more about this here, and get back to us with any questions.
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